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sniper
sniper - 3 years ago
O man this video is awesome...how you did this with a straight face...is beyond me
Mitch Lee
Mitch Lee - 3 years ago
Totally. My pro shop tried to sell me a 3 iron that had the same loft as my 4
eskimo joe
eskimo joe - 3 years ago
I bought a old set of ping i3's on facebook for $60 had them lengthened to fit my height and had some winn grips installed.These irons hit better then the new ones out.It's all about skill and hitting the sweet spot being consistent every shot
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
I still have a set of Eye2s in my shed. Cracking clubs.
Ntv69
Ntv69 - 3 years ago
I would think as someone looking to become a scratch golfer you might compare a few things besides loft. There is a reason the lofts are stronger, ie lower CG in newer designs they need to get a certain ball flight etc. Don't tell be the new rogue 7 iron has the same ball flight as you i25 5 iron.
Aaron Rainey
Aaron Rainey - 3 years ago
Agreed; they should just stamp clubs with the loft instead of a #.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
A few manufacturers do that but I can't see it ever becoming the norm!
BeachBow
BeachBow - 3 years ago
You are absolutely correct. I took my 5, 6, and 7 iron to a fitting. Was hitting their 7 iron about 15 yards farther than mine. But it was the same distance as my 6. Told the fitter it was the loft and not the club. He denied it, but when we put the clubs together, you could see the difference. Why buy a new set that doesn't play any better then my 845s? Be careful out there! Buyer beware! JM2C
BeachBow
BeachBow - 3 years ago
The fitter never mentioned anything about that. I didn't notice much difference in the trajectory displayed on the screen though. That was 2 years ago, so just don't remember much else.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Did you compare the spin and descent angle as well?
Bill Malec
Bill Malec - 3 years ago
I said this like, 5-6 years ago?, when this lunacy started and people looked at me like I was from Mars.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Bill Malec I reckon it's been going on even longer than that!
Chuck Mitchell
Chuck Mitchell - 3 years ago
Agree with you but when you strike your irons if you compress the ball properly you de loft your clubs anyway. Depending on your swing the loft changes anyways
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Chuck Mitchell True, and that means if you de-loft an already strong lofted iron you've now got very little loft indeed!
Saber Six
Saber Six - 3 years ago
Awesome!!!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Cheers! :)

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Steven Moore
Steven Moore - 3 years ago
I play the same refurbished Wilson Staffs that I bought in 1989. My PW is 51 degrees, with 4 degree increments to each subsequent club. This is I have a 55-56 degree sand wedge (51 PW + roughly 4 degrees). Today, with stronger lofts, a PW is 45-47 degrees, which is what my 9 iron is. And guess what, now you need to buy a 51-52 degree "gap wedge" to go between your PW and SW. It is the same on the other end with long irons. Today you can't hit a 3 or 4 iron because they have so little loft that they are unplayable and you have to buy a hybrid just to get the ball airborne. Save your money.
eagle boy
eagle boy - 3 years ago
Funny vid mate.....i like it
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
eagle boy Good to hear!
David Petryk
David Petryk - 3 years ago
There is much more to it then the loft, the technology in many new irons let you hit less loft much higher yet there is less loft. A 4 or 5 iron today if much easier to hit and it has less loft and goes higher then the old. You can not compare new to old side by side equally and just point out the lofts
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
David Petryk If anyone could prove to me that they're easier to hit and they go further without any trade-off in reduced spin then I'd be happy to believe it!
Phil Bartlett
Phil Bartlett - 3 years ago
I have three sets of irons. One.is a single length and the lofts are significantly different from the the other two
I have to hit at last one more club on every shot. My old Ping G25 are much stronger on the lofts. I recently had some custom irons made and specified the lofts, lies and shaft lengths. I prefer the customs to the other sets.
Phil Bartlett
Phil Bartlett - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf I recently turned 70, so the new custom made irons are senior shaft. I bought Dynacraft Prophet Muscleback irons from Hireko.com. They are 1/4 inch shorter and one degree flat. My pings were 1 degree flat and standard length. My handicap remains about the same at 9.5. The 5,6,and 7 irons are easier to hit with the senior shafts. The Dynacraft irons cost about $40 each and I could order 5 - gap wedge. To get new Pings would cost over$110 each and I really like the Dynacraft better than my g25s. Note all my clubs are graphite shafts.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Phil Bartlett Do you find you play better with the custom made ones? What are they?
Robert Rockwell
Robert Rockwell - 3 years ago
Stiletto heel with steroid technology!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Robert Rockwell Sometimes look back and wonder what I was thinking!
keith irvine
keith irvine - 3 years ago
If people are stupid enough to believe all the hype they hear from the manufacturers, they deserve to be screwed over. A little knowlege goes a long way. This has been going on since the 70's, and I'll admit, back then I got caught up in the hype too, until I finally figured things out for myself, and saved thousands of dollars since. I have just upgraded all my clubs this year for the first time in 20 years and made sure they were 'forged' so I can have the lofts set to my old set. Buying 'cast' is a huge mistake, imo, as you are basically stuck with the lofts they came with, with only minor changes allowed without breaking the heads. Also, not mentioned in the video, is the fact that some manufacturers are also lenghtening the shafts for 'added distance'. Bottom line, just get fitted by a 'reputable' fitter, ask questions, and make sure you get proper answers.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
keith irvine But a lot of people don't consider that this kind of thing is going on. Not sure they deserve to be mis-sold just because they don't have the time or inclination to start checking lofts etc. What have you upgraded from and to?
TheStarshot1979
TheStarshot1979 - 3 years ago
Very good point.
James Lovering
James Lovering - 3 years ago
Good point I had a similar experience where I was stopped in the pro shop at a driving range, the salesperson asked to see my irons and immediately claimed I should upgrade and I would get 20 yards extra, ( I have a very old set of TaylorMade 300 series irons, don't play often and they are in great nick, nice feel and I like them ). Immediately I smiled and said I don't need 20 yards extra as these fill the gaps, I just need to hit them better :-).
Matthew Schulze
Matthew Schulze - 3 years ago
I love the 300 Forged!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Exactly. If you want to hit your 7-iron 20 yards further, hit your 5-iron!
scott otero
scott otero - 3 years ago
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Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
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Suhdude024
Suhdude024 - 3 years ago
One of the local golf shops in my city intentionally calibrates their trackman incorrectly to mislead people into buying new clubs. I think I gave the dude a heart attack when I asked him to reset the altitude and temperature back to normal before I tested a few drivers lol
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
That's appalling if that is the case. And 99% of people would never realise.

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SpringInFialta
SpringInFialta - 3 years ago
How much money does it take to get to a specific handicap? After watching several of your videos I get the idea that there is some sort of exponential curve. If I want to continue to slog through courses scoring 100 then my only real cost is greens fees and the occasional bucket of balls. If I want to get to 90 then maybe I need to buy a new set of clubs and spend a bit more time at the range. If I want to work toward 80 then I guess I need to play 3-4 rounds every week, go to the range on off days, pay for some lessons, and update my clubs every 3 yrs or so. If I want to get into the 70's then well I better hope my investments are doing well.

What do you say?
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
I think there's definitely some truth in that. It takes time to get better. Lots of people get good when they're young, playing every day in school holidays etc. But if you missed that boat (as I did), you need to find the time or accept it's going to be tough to get to scratch if you're only playing once a week and never practising.
chrislynch52
chrislynch52 - 3 years ago
Fitters don't seem interested in changing loft and lies on second hand irons. I live near Woking surrey
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
What about Precision Golf?
richard r
richard r - 3 years ago
you got 50+ dislikes - must be the fitters at American Golf having a quiet day...
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Either that or some Aussies were offended by that terrible accent!
HDTVMAN100
HDTVMAN100 - 3 years ago
As a fitter, I want my customer to bring his 7 iron to compare it to new irons, as most companies, except Mizuno, use the 7 for fitting. I look at the numbers, including lie, loft, and dispersion, and we compare the irons the customer likes. We also compare different shaft weights, is the customer older or have health issues in which graphite might be a good choice...bottom line, we look at all factors of the game. If distance and dispersion are virtually the same, keep you clubs. If you see a positive change, then lets zero in on all the required specs and order the right clubs.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Sounds good. It's all about clubs that will actually help the person play better and enjoy the game more, at the end of the day.
darryl richardson
darryl richardson - 3 years ago
Simple answer to the loft jacking would be get rid of a 5 6 7 8 9 iron and have the club makers stamp the loft on the long and mid irons like they do on the specialist wedges ie 54 56 58 60 degrees so you can compare a 30 degree with a 30 degree.Then hopefully you wont hear " i hit my 6 iron 220 yards" in every clubhouse up and down the country
HDTVMAN100
HDTVMAN100 - 3 years ago
Hogan irons showed the loft.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
There are a few sets that do that but there's no way it'll become the norm. It would confuse a lot of people and then they wouldn't be able to say "I hit my 6-iron 220 yards"!
David Ciccoritti
David Ciccoritti - 3 years ago
Loved the video. Don't think I've ever seen you before. The comedy portions made me LOL. As much as I agree with you, the truth is most golfers WANT to be fooled into believing they are hitting it further. It's the reason TM and Callaway are so successful in retail sales.

I believe this needs to be regulated by the USGA & R&A but they won't. PW should be 51 or 52. I consider my 718 MB's to have jacked lofts.

I have this idea of selling weight scales that measure 30 Lbs less than the actual weight. Going to market this towards women
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Cheers David. Glad you found the channel!


You've definitely got a point there, and I guess if it makes people feel they're hitting it further and enjoy their golf more, that's a good thing.


Haha, I've seen stupider things advertised!
Dominic Carthy
Dominic Carthy - 3 years ago
Really good points Rob and you are well informed!
Dan Mitson
Dan Mitson - 3 years ago
Spot on. New to this channel, find it easy to relate to. Good work!!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Cheers Dan, good to have you on board!
Anonymous Poster
Anonymous Poster - 3 years ago
Repeat of a couple of paragraphs below, just to make the main point clear.
To my thinking, another, maybe better, way to look at it, that would probably make more sense, is that, keeping club distances constant, your five iron is now shorter in shaft length, with a higher launch angle, both of which improve accuracy, for the same distance and spin. Except it's now labelled a seven iron.
But, either way, it is, I think, a real benefit.
Anonymous Poster
Anonymous Poster - 3 years ago
I agree a lot with what you are saying, but I think you are misunderstanding the benefit of the reduced loft for the same shaft length, and still maintaining the same launch angle.

The benefit is that with less loft you get higher compression, by higher COR from a flatter face, for the same shaft length, i.e. from a flatter face with same attack angle, hence longer distance with the same launch angle (from lower MOI as well, or however it is they manage to keep the same launch angle).
The accuracy doesn't suffer much because that's determined by both the spin and the launch angle, only one of which is worse, spin. And maybe that can be compensated for by higher spin balls.
So, a big increase in distance for a little less accuracy, for the same club number. Maybe, keeping accuracy constant, the increase in distance is one club, rather than two?

To my thinking, another, maybe better, way to look at it, that would probably make more sense, is that, keeping club distances constant, your five iron is now shorter in shaft length, with a higher launch angle, both of which improve accuracy, for the same distance and spin. Except it's now labelled a seven iron.

But, either way, it is, I think, a real benefit.

Would be really interesting to see real data on increases in accuracy for same shot distance, i.e. old 5 iron vs new 7 iron.

Of course, it sounds better for sales purposes for manufacturers to say that their seven iron goes further, rather than than their 5 iron both launches higher and has a shorter shaft for more accuracy.
Also, I think they can sell fewer clubs in the iron sets, assuming their prices for a "full set" remain the same but the amount of clubs in a set goes down, hence more profits there.
Plus, they sell more wedges, so more profits there too.
Plus they get people to replace their irons.
They make improvements to maintain and increase sales, after all.

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Anton Borysenko
Anton Borysenko - 3 years ago
spin matters
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Sure does.
Sloe Bone
Sloe Bone - 3 years ago
So I can now hit my PW 150 yards which leaves me 2 wedges to cover everything inside that. The club makers have basically taken the 8 and 9 iron out of our bags and the USGA still won’t let us carry more than 14 clubs.

It’s no wonder golfers still aren’t getting any better.
Sloe Bone
Sloe Bone - 3 years ago
Exactly, but now you have to create a hole somewhere else in your bag. I usually leave my 4 Iron at home, which is ok until I need to hit a 4 Iron shot. All because some fool in the 1930’s decided to stuff too many mashies and niblicks into his bag and the USGA picked the number 14 out of the air and made the rule.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Why do you think most people now carry three or four wedges? ;)
Slowster
Slowster - 3 years ago
This is exactly why iron sets only go up to 4i now.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Agreed.
Geoffrey O'Brien
Geoffrey O'Brien - 3 years ago
My old Ping 7 iron had 36 degrees of loft. Same with my Mizunos. The loft on irons is going down and the loft on drivers is going up. Maybe we will be able to use a 46 degree driver to pitch with fairly soon??!!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Mizuno lofts don't seem to be getting much stronger, in fairness to them. I think we've all hit the occasional 46-degree drive #Roofed
Geoffrey O'Brien
Geoffrey O'Brien - 3 years ago
Not a bad accent, maattee...
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
No wuzzas, skippa
Profile Mugshot
Profile Mugshot - 3 years ago
You were doing so well until 12:33 you suggest the amateur just needs clubs with consistent distance and spin, I am off to watch your "The reason you're so inconsistent at golf" video and see if that answers any questions...(a few minutes later) damn it pre-shot routine :-( :D
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
I think my point was that these mega distance clubs sometimes generate very low spin which can make certain shots go miles. I believe they call them "knuckleballs"! But yeah, practice is always likely to help you more than new clubs.
Profile Mugshot
Profile Mugshot - 3 years ago
So the new clubs don't offer consistent spin and distance? edit to expand a bit lol, give a talented player any club fitted for him/her in the last 5 years and they will get consistent spin and distance. The amateur needs practice regardless of YouTubers reviewing clubs and criticising a massive industry doing what it is always going to do(sell you stuff you don't want or need and make it your idea) I love your vid's btw this is now blown out of proportion :D
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Why wouldn't amateurs want clubs that offer consistent distance and spin?!
James Harrison
James Harrison - 3 years ago
This happened in my fitting last year. The Calloway Steelhead 6 iron was going 190y. I can only drive the ball 230ish. You mention the gap at the wedge end, but the bunching at the driving end is worse. I even thought I could save myself £600 by not buying a new driver and 3 wood as the std Steelhead 4 iron would be just as long. Seems like suicide on the manufacturers side. I want to play golf 'properly' so I went for a less aggressive set of irons.
James Harrison
James Harrison - 3 years ago
I would like to see a standardization of lofts by the governing bodies.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
That is true. I've seen stats that show a lot of amateurs hit their irons pretty similar distances from 7-iron up. A mate of mine was recently using a Rogue 5-iron as a club to sit between his 3-wood and normal 4-iron!
OutOfNowhere
OutOfNowhere - 3 years ago
Brilliant video mate. I just got fitted 5 days ago and walked out with ap2s from 2011....I think that speaks about what your talking about. Its not about new....its about loft. And for me FEEL....FEEL FEEL....OK done saying feel....wait I just said it again DOAH! the feel....I got for the older ap2s was just as good if not better than the new ping400s. Put a super stiff shaft in it and boom added 30yards per club....yes less forgiving. But its all about practice right!!?? Love my refurbished 2011 ap2s. Bottom line go for feel not for looks. Can't wait to take em on the course.
OutOfNowhere
OutOfNowhere - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf I hope they expand over there....would be great for UK...GOLFERS....especially amateurs.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Would be great if they set up in the UK too!
OutOfNowhere
OutOfNowhere - 3 years ago
I'm in the United States. The company is called 2nd swing...they will fit you for any clubs you desire old or new. Check em out at 2nd swing.com they are going to inevitably be the the demise of major brands with a 2nd swing approach and platform geared to all golfer of all skill levels. This video speaks volumes. But I don't know if many amateurs understand how important feel is...there's that pesky word again...most people think new is better I can assure you with affinity, that is not the case. 2nd is going to turn heads!! They are a growing company. Make a video about them I'd like to hear your opinion.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
That's great to hear. Where did you have that fitting? Not many places around me that will fit for anything other than the brand new gear!
Johnny Apple Seed
Johnny Apple Seed - 3 years ago
If you hit the proverbial "Callaway" equivalent as consistently as your "Ping I-25", then just add a wedge and remove a Fairway Wood or Hybrid......Truth be told, (and all things being consistanly equal), I would much rather hit a wedge than a Fairway Wood and /or Hybrid any day of the week.....

Otherwise, I do understand your point....
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
I'm going to do a video soon testing these different types of clubs to see the pros and cons of each. Just need to get some to test!
Bobby Blevins
Bobby Blevins - 3 years ago
I think the loft should be written on all clubs but also i my-self would not buy a set of irons with out hitting atleast three out of the set. Great video.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
That's a good idea. Sure, test a mid-iron, but also hit the longest and shortest club in the set you're looking at buying.
Mattias Wennerhult
Mattias Wennerhult - 3 years ago
Awesome, thanks mate.
David Boddy
David Boddy - 3 years ago
Good video, well done mate, like the video song and dance sign off :)
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Haha, I really need to stop singing/dancing/doing accents.
Steven Rust
Steven Rust - 3 years ago
I'm in the market for new irons and I am going to need do my research. 45 degree pitching wedges in most sets theses days means I'm going to have to tinker with my set up. I only carry 3 wedges at the moment but think I will need to goto 4 and either drop my 3 iron or 3 wood. Also means extra cost potentially.
Steven Rust
Steven Rust - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf In my present set 47, 52 and 56
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
What lofts are your wedges?
ar halimi
ar halimi - 3 years ago
beautiful .. tQ
Alberto Fernandez-Sanguino
Alberto Fernandez-Sanguino - 3 years ago
Eye-opening! And another additional problem I see with fittings is that they are mostly launch monitor focused. No outdoor testing from the turf or on the course. Surely that makes no sense whatsoever. Cheers
Alberto Fernandez-Sanguino
Alberto Fernandez-Sanguino - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf There is, it's called GC Quad. And Trackman must have a similar system, surely! All it takes is a one hour session on grass and the course, surely
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
That's a great point because we play golf on golf courses, not on launch monitors. If they could find a way to let you do thorough tests of clubs on the course (with data) it would be a game-changer!
Max August
Max August - 3 years ago
Excellent video Rob, thanks for helping me out on looking at new irons this year, keep up great content
Max August
Max August - 3 years ago
Will do!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Cheers Max, hope you find some sweet new sticks! Let me know what you get.
Chris O'Brien
Chris O'Brien - 3 years ago
Thank you
Jay Byrne
Jay Byrne - 3 years ago
This video is ridiculous. What is on the bottom makes no difference. The ball flight is key. If Your 7i now matches your old 5i and you need to hit 160yds, then hit your 9i instead!Learn how to control your shots and work on 3/4 shots etc.Learn the skill of the game and stop looking to blame manufacturers.Seems like this video was made for views with little actual knowledge behind it
Jay Byrne
Jay Byrne - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf how is it making life hard? You can now hit your irons further, so your new 4i goes prob 30-40 yds further than your old one, making it easier to hit long holes in reg. With old clubs, average golfers struggle to reach most long holes. My club has 3 par 3's 199yds and above and one at 179yds so length is essential.
Plus learning 50-80% shots gives you a massive range of shots you can play depending on conditions, lies, trees, length of green, type of course etc.
Why would you want to only be able to play a 160yd shot one way? That will severely restrict your ability to play creative shots.
Plus this isn't just my opinion, ive had lesson from 3 different pga pros and all have advised to learn different styles of shots with the same club.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
But why would you want to make life harder for yourself by having to hit 3/4 shots to cover so many yardages when you could just have clubs with even gapping that go the distances you need?
Ian Styring
Ian Styring - 3 years ago
Excellent video. I went for a fitting @Universalgolf in Southampton (Tom Webster). Over 2 hours later I'd ordered my fitted irons and wedges. All irons/wedges adjusted for the correct yardage gaps for my swing. Great guy to deal with.
Callum Imrie
Callum Imrie - 3 years ago
Thats why I love the idea of Ben Hogan Irons where they write the lofts on the clubs the whole way through like wedges.
I play Taylormade rsi1 but only started playing last year and they seem to be one of the last game improvement irons with relatively normal lofts. 7 iron is 30.5 new tayloramde m2 is 27 I think.

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Basil Keen
Basil Keen - 3 years ago
That's where the Ben Hogan company (recent) had a good idea by just putting the loft on the iron and not a number. That way you are getting what it says on the box.
lottness31
lottness31 - 3 years ago
Jesus Christ, yes all clubs are different, all clubs are getting juiced. Only takes 1 minute to explain not 14 minutes.
I've Tue
I've Tue - 3 years ago
Great vid! Spot on...
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Cheers!
saunds59
saunds59 - 3 years ago
New subscriber, love the channel. Great video, also, manufacturers have greatly expanded their market for specialist wedges as we all try to fill the gap created by 45 degree (or less) pitching wedges.
EIOA
EIOA - 3 years ago
1:40 - 4:40min.. absolutely hilarious undercover footage reenactment. Being from Australia I thought you pulled off the Aussie accent really well. Why you decided to be an 'Australian' as a dodgie salesperson is another topic altogether but really funny entertaining either way.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
EIOA Haha, honestly no idea but we did spend three weeks over there in December so it must have had an effect on me!
Amateurgolfnut
Amateurgolfnut - 3 years ago
Couldn't agree more.  Great video.
Peter Cameron
Peter Cameron - 3 years ago
Spot on, have a set of Mizuno. Pro originals ,eBay . Put some new grips on and I love them, get rewarded as soon as I hit. Don’t have to look up to see if I have hit a good shot
nouseforaname808
nouseforaname808 - 3 years ago
Decent info. The acoustics in your house made this video crap. A Lot of echo making it hard to listen to...
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Sorry to hear that. Are you using headphones? It sounds fine for me but I know that headphones sometimes pick up on audio subtleties that speakers miss out on.
Joshzilla1979
Joshzilla1979 - 3 years ago
I could not agree more with this.
Johnny Hicks
Johnny Hicks - 3 years ago
You are absolutely correct if I need more distance than my 7 iron I hit a 6 iron it doesn't make sense to buy stronger lofted irons for all the reasons you mentioned. Great video.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Cheers Johnny.
Andy Green
Andy Green - 3 years ago
I've just been for a fitting of AP2 718's. I like them and my dispersion was fairly tight. I've insisted I'll only buy them if the fitter can adjust lofts throughout set to carry at 10-12 yards gap between clubs. Fitter has agreed which is good but does mean another hour hitting balls with all clubs to find average distances per club to set the lofts.

If you're going for a set of custom fitted clubs (and paying a premium for the privilege) then the least your fitter can do is custom fit them to your game !! Maybe if more people adopted this approach then manufacturers standard lofts become irrelevant and there'd be a general improvement in your game whatever your ability level.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
I guess the yardage gaps should be about that anyway? Definitely good to check and make sure you're not inadvertently creating any yardage problems in your bag though!
B Young413
B Young413 - 3 years ago
Great video
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Thank you!
Doogle Vox
Doogle Vox - 3 years ago
Changed my game improvement irons for a set of mizuno mp5's. Simply fantastic should of changed years ago!!!!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Doogle Vox Stunning irons
Michael Pasvantis
Michael Pasvantis - 3 years ago
Great video, very clever, very funny, although you should expect some hate mail from a few (probably all) manufacturers.
I hate to say that one of my all time favorite manufacturer Ping in their new Power Spec line of G700 irons has a 42 degree Pitching wedge making me need a 46 degree...Pitching wedge. Seems like the last manufacturer standing is Mizuno.
Sloe Bone
Sloe Bone - 3 years ago
The Ping Eye2, the most successful irons in history, had a 51.5 degree lofted PW.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Michael Pasvantis In fairness, each manufacturer has sets where the lofts are really strong and some where they're not. The Ping iBlade PW is 46 degrees.

I just checked the lofts of Mizuno's Hot Metal set and was surprised to see the PW is 45 degrees - I expected the lofts to be a lot stronger.
Ecclesiastes 3:18
Ecclesiastes 3:18 - 3 years ago
Golf lessons and club fittings are a joke here in America. There are far too many arrogant, elitist attitudes to contend with. Just look around You Tube. Most all of the truly helpful videos are being produced by European PGA pros and fitters. Americans are more about what they can get from you NOT what they can do to help you.

This is why most all of my subscriptions are to European You Tube channels. I simply do not trust the United States PGA "Pro."
Mark Crossfield, Michael Newton, Jay Smith, and Alistair Davies Golf far surpasses most American channels in their honesty and willingness to benefit the common recreational golfer.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Ecclesiastes 3:18 I don't tend to see many American golf YouTubers.

Can't fault Mark Crossfield's honesty, that's for sure.
Chuangyee Bock
Chuangyee Bock - 3 years ago
For me, a proper fitting session should also help determine shafts, lengths, swing weight, lie angles etc. Personalised settings you will not be able to get from off-the-shelf sets.
Timothy Buffham
Timothy Buffham - 3 years ago
What about the shaft length? My five and seven have different length shafts. I have noticed that my 7 34 degree doesn't go as far as some of my playing companions, in some cases that's because they are better than me but there is no need for me to feel inadequate that I his my seven 150 but my companion is using his eight - here's the kicker his seven has 31 loft...I haven't checked the shaft lengths.
60DegreeLobWedge
60DegreeLobWedge - 3 years ago
a few years ago I tried my grandpa's old set of blades from the 60's.  It was a half set of odd numbers:  the 1 iron had a loft about 20 degrees and 9 iron about 52 degrees.  They had no bounce and a microscopic sweet spot but the entire set was playable and all you'd really need is a couple woods and maybe a sand wedge.  Now, you buy a set and immediately replace the 3, 4, 5 with hybrids and need to buy 4 wedges but you still have bigger bigger yardage gaps between some clubs than the half set of clubs my grandpa carried.
KitOnTheCourse
KitOnTheCourse - 3 years ago
There's a lot of good info here Rob, and I enjoyed your acting skills, but loft isn't really the significant factor. Launch angle and descent angle are what you need to look out for. Many technologies in new irons help the ball launch higher, which allows manufacturers to strengthen loft so you get extra distance but the ball still launches and flies high and lands softly. Of course, there is some simple cranking of lofts as well, but you can't automatically assume that it's just turning a 7-iron into a 5-iron. You have to understand how every element of a club's design affects its performance. Loft is only one of them and not all irons of the same loft will launch the ball in the same way.
Shane Jones
Shane Jones - 3 years ago
Rob,
It's getting to the point where loft angles can't go much lower than they are.
The reason that the number is the same is the total headweight of a given numbered iron is within a gram or two of each other. So a Rogue X 7-iron weighs the same as an Apex MB, but because of the weighting and VCoG, COR, and MOI the Rogue X is 27° and the Apex MB is 34°.

One thing I will say is loft angles of blades and player's cavity backs have changed very little over the last 20 years. Most 7-irons stated loft in blades in the late 1990s was 36° (some were 35 or 37) that number has only shifted slightly to 35° in fact if you take the "Big four" and their blade models Callaway, TM, and Titleist are all 35° only Mizuno is at 34° (I think Cobra is too).

I read something that Tiger Woods has the weakest lofted irons on tour. His lofts are something out of the 50s (We're talking 50° PW, 37° 7-iron, 23° 3-iron) So when Dustin Johnson is cranking his 27° 5-iron 240, Remember Tiger was doing it with a 30° 5-iron.
freddy
freddy - 3 years ago
No a modern game improvement 6 irons is NOT the same as a traditional 5 iron in terms of trajectory. The "Static" loft may be the same but the launch angle (the important thing) is not the same. Manufacturers have decreased loft on distance irons BECAUSE they've lowered CG which has resulted in much higher launch angles. They had to decrease the lofts to get the launch angle back down to a reasonable "traditional" level. That's why my AP1 7 iron at 30 degrees launches as high or higher than my old Hogan 7 iron with 34 degrees of loft.
Static loft is MEANINGLESS. You can take two irons with the same loft and different CG's and they will launch at noticeably different angles. The trade off with GI distance irons is with spin not launch angle. The traditional iron has much more spin at the expense of distance.
Steve Manser
Steve Manser - 3 years ago
There is one manufacturer out there (Ben Hogan maybe!) That just put the loft angle degree on the irons.. job done......
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Steve Manser You're right, it is Hogan irons
Jan Dekker
Jan Dekker - 3 years ago
Nice work. Content with *humour*. Gotta love it.
Kevin Clark
Kevin Clark - 3 years ago
I feel you've missed important bits of information out in regard to GI clubs. The lofts are stronger yes but they actually launch the ball higher more quickly as well as descending at a steeper angle. That's the clever part. I've used a 35 degree 7 iron and my current 31 degree and I'd take my new clubs all day. I feel people are just jumping on the band wagon with this now saying pw are like 3 irons now. When fact is they really arnt.
Kevin Clark
Kevin Clark - 3 years ago
There's quite a few. There's some on course direct comparisons between players irons and GI irons. Think it's the titleist ap1 iirc so maybe search for those.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Kevin Clark Good idea
Kevin Clark
Kevin Clark - 3 years ago
I'd recommend trying some on the course to gain a full opinion. You might be surprised at the results. The average golfer channel has covered the subject so maybe worth a check of his channel.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Kevin Clark That's totally fair enough, it's only my experience and opinion. It's all about getting the clubs that work best for you. I've always seen lower spin with stronger lofted clubs, which is a problem for me because the greens at my club get quite firm during the season. My PW is only like a 3-iron when I thin the life out of it!
michandcat
michandcat - 3 years ago
Very well done young man. Informative, helpful and quite entertaining. Keep up the good work. Greetings from New York. Mich
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
michandcat Thank you. Hope some nice golfing weather is on its way to you!
Bob Ashworth
Bob Ashworth - 3 years ago
Well done Rob, another new subscriber.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Bob Ashworth Thanks Bob, good to have you along for the ride!
Kelly Cole
Kelly Cole - 3 years ago
You make great points, but with videos like this people will be better educated about the point. Personally though I find the lofts a great thing as long as you go into purchasing clubs eyes wide open about the truth. With these new lofts and the forgiving cg it has allowed me to add those better quality scoring wedges to fine tune the 130 yards and in. Along with adding a hybrid for trouble spots at the other end of the bag. This is just my 2 cents, but as long as you understand what the club makers are doing and use it to your advantage to fine tune the gaps in your bag- I see it as a win.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Kelly Cole Absolutely. It's all about getting the right gear for you that helps you play better. If modern equipment can make the game a little bit easier and more enjoyable, I'm fully on board!
Kieran Ardaen-Webb
Kieran Ardaen-Webb - 3 years ago
I went for a fitting with the pro at my local club and couldn't recommend it enough. The shaft and lie angle have been changed to better suit my game. And I've improved drastically in a very short period. Do agree with the distance factor though and jacking of lofts! Good video!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Kieran Ardaen-Webb That's good to hear. Getting clubs that are properly fitted for you is very important. Glad your game is going well!
Carl Jonas Askvigg
Carl Jonas Askvigg - 3 years ago
love the ide of having the carry number on the clubs!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Carl Jonas Askvigg Do it!
Ron Kerr
Ron Kerr - 3 years ago
Higher launch is the advantage of new clubs so new 7i will hopefully stop faster than old 5i but need to be very aware of the lofts when choosing clubs. I have just changed my 15 year old Ping iblades 3i-SW for fitted Titleist AP3 5i-PW with 3 Vokey wedges that are 48,54 and 58 degrees - the PW is very strong and really a 9i!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Ron Kerr Sounds like a good setup you've got there. Enjoy!
Sean Coxe
Sean Coxe - 3 years ago
It's been said before, and needs to be said again and again.  I play an old set of original circa 1980 Ping Eye irons (Maltby rates them as Super Game Improvement).  I get some smirks from other golfers when I pull out an 6 iron when they're hitting an 8.  But I know how far every club in my bag goes, and there's no smirking when we compare scores at the end of a round.  Bonus?  I still carry a 2 iron that I can hit reliably.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Sean Coxe A channel called Fried Eggs Golf (check it out if you haven't already) did a great test of the Eye 2 against a couple of modern Ping clubs. I won't spoil it for you but let's just say Ping have always made good irons!
Mil Sneler
Mil Sneler - 3 years ago
Hitting ball further is not even the point of playing golf. People who think their game will improve by hitting their 7 iron 200 yards deserve to be suckered into buying clubs with silly lofts.
Mil Sneler
Mil Sneler - 3 years ago
Wrong. You forgot that distance is not only influenced by loft, but also by the club length. So 7 iron having same loft as a five iron will not go the same distance because 5 iron has at least inch(2.5cm) longer shaft. Longer shaft translates to higher club head speed which relates to the longer distance.
Corynsboy
Corynsboy - 3 years ago
Testify!
vince guest
vince guest - 3 years ago
Distance sells...no doubt, but the stronger lofts isn't really an issue. Distance gapping through your set is and you should be fit for this.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
vince guest Yep, decent gapping with distances you can hit consistently is what you need
salad5469
salad5469 - 3 years ago
there is no one type of cars that suit everyone. 
most of us play golf for fun, we choose clubs as we like. Some emphasise on the look, some on the brand, some on the numbers and some on the feel. so let us choose please.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
salad5469 Of course! When did I say you couldn't choose what clubs to buy?!
Simon White
Simon White - 3 years ago
This is very useful Rob. I'm planning to go for a fitting in March, going to take the loft sheet for my current bats (Ping g10s), see what they recommend! My wish is for great feel and accuracy, I'm not a long hitter but finding the target more often would be far more satisfying as far as I'm concerned. My dilemma is, do I buy new irons or do I buy new wedges?
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
There's not much more satisfying than better scores! I'm sure they'll be able to look at your gapping etc and see what you need most.
M A.R McIlroy
M A.R McIlroy - 3 years ago
Don't forget about length of club and weight
Rick
Rick - 3 years ago
As someone who fits clubs for a living, there’s a couple things missing from this video. First, if your fitter is doing some of the things mentioned then they’re just a crook. But the big thing that needs to be considered is how high you’re launching the new iron, and how steeply its coming down. Yes, many new clubs are strong, but with new tech and weight placements they still launch like your old ones. For many people it’s very possible that a new 7 iron, even though it’s several degrees stronger, actually launches and peaks higher than their old one, so at that point the loft built into it really becomes an insignificant detail. Generally there’s a loss in spin, but this is also made up for in the higher angle of descent, which makes up for most or all of the stopping power spin would cause. My point is that with new tech, stronger lofts are simply necessary for the clubs to launch and fly anywhere near what we’re used to, or else we’d all be hitting moon balls with everything. Launch, spin, and descent angle are far more important, and loft becomes an unimportant side note.

One last thing is that a club like a Rogue X, or any other strong iron, isn’t designed for the scratch or single digit guy. Many higher handicappers need more distance to make the game more fun, and clubs like these give them that and make a hard game more enjoyable, which is, after all, the whole point of golf.
Be Heard Guitar
Be Heard Guitar - 3 years ago
Johnny Penso oh man, you crack me up. I never said it would be the end of the world. From my first post I said that it would drive up wedge sales and you mocked me, and now you are saying you would go buy another wedge off the shelf or buy the additional wedge with the set and have it bent which would also mess with the bounce. Or... just keep using what you have because the promise of these stronger lofts does not pan out. It makes players have a slight (not end of the world), but slight disadvantage in the most important part of their game.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
Be Heard Guitar you need to re-read what I posted. The 20 yard gap between my 52 and the AW or GW in the Rogue set could be filled easily with another wedge. My local club fitter only charges a couple of bucks to adjust lofts or I could just pick up something off the rack. Either way the solution is pretty simple. Some of you guys make out as if these gaps are the end of the world for us middle swing speed guys and that's just not the case.
Matthew Schulze
Matthew Schulze - 3 years ago
Johnny Penso it depends on your club speed and swing. I have no issue carrying a 35* 7i over 160 yards, so I don't need the extra distance or lower spin and prefer to have a bladed iron I can flight down if necessary. Somebody else might be looking for something different for their own game. That's fine, but not if they're just looking at how far a club with a 7 on the sole goes while ignoring (or not being informed of!) other factors that might be more important.
Be Heard Guitar
Be Heard Guitar - 3 years ago
Johnny Penso Please let me know where my math is off. You estimated that you would hit the Rogue x Gap wedge 120 (I'm assuming you meant the A wedge which is 3 degrees stronger than your Adam's GW). You also said you use your 52, 56 and 60 for 100 yds and under. That leaves a gap of 20 yards between the Rogue AW and your 52. If you add their additional wedge it is 51 degrees GW. It is only 1 degree stronger than your 52. Maybe it would go 103. That would be a 17 yard gap in a vital area of your game. You are much better off hitting your 52 100, your Adam's 49 110 and your Adam's PW 120. What is clear from this discussion is that the Rogue X 7 iron going further than another 7 iron does not automatically make golf easier for a weekend golfer. Strengthening lofts adds complexity to the scoring clubs and causes weird gapping.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
Your math is off. I've already given you what I would estimate their clubs would go and it only adds one club length of distance at the low end, necessitating adding one club between that and my wedges which is a club they would provide. The gaps would be wider but only by less than 2 yards. I'm nowhere near that accurate even though I'm a 10 handicap so I'd rather hit the shorter 7 iron with the same flight characteristics as my 5 iron. I'd have to hit the clubs to know the exact distances but I don't see it working out much different than my estimate.
Be Heard Guitar
Be Heard Guitar - 3 years ago
Johnny Penso Sorry, I'm not tracking with the clubs you would use if you bought a SGI set. The Rogue X "A wedge" is 46 degrees and the "G wedge" is 51. You wouldn't carry your 52 and their 51. So currently with your Adams, you have a strong set of lofts, but from 36 degrees to LW you have 7 clubs with 3-5 degrees of loft difference: 8(36), 9(40), PW(44), GW(49), 52, 56, 60. If you went to the Rogue X you would only have 6 clubs to cover that exact same range with clubs that are 4-6 degrees apart (unless you carried two clubs that are 1 degree apart): 9(36), PW(41), A(46), 52, 56, 60. You would spend $1,100 to buy a set with two clubs that you don't need (4 iron, 5 iron which are awkwardly gapped 2.5 degrees apart because of reasons we can discuss another time) and you would have one less club to choose from in your short game than you currently do. And the difference in shaft length is 1/4" at similar lofts until you get to your 8 iron. The extra height could be helpful in the longer clubs, but there isn't more spin. And in the only review I've seen where they compare a 27 degree rogue x 7 iron to a Wilson 27 degree 5 iron, the peak heights, launch angles and spin rates were virtually identical. Loft to loft, they aren't really much different. What is the advantage? How does that help anyone with their game? Just cut a 1/4"- 3/4" off your irons and add some lead tape to keep the swing weight the same. They have taken the club number that people hit the most at the golf stores (6-7 iron) and strengthened the lofts to make those two club numbers outperform in distance over other brands, in the meantime making the longer irons uselessly low loft and increasing the gapping distance in the clubs that really make a difference in people's game. You said you wanted to work in real numbers, but the problem is that clubs are not a single yardage. They are a range of yardages based on quality of strike, wind direction and speed, and slope and hardness of the landing surface. I would not pay extra money to have fewer options into the green, even if it meant I could puff my chest out when declaring to my friends what club number I was hitting.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
Let's talk real numbers. I use Adams A12 OS clubs. My 7 iron is 32 degrees and I hit it about 155. My GW from the same set is 49 degrees and I hit it about 110. I also carry a 52, 56, 60 to go from 100 on down. If I buy a Super GI set and the 7 goes 10% further I'll hit it 170 and the GW about 120. So with my set the average gap in clubs is about 11 yards. With the SGI set the average gap will be 12.5 yards. Do you really thing an additional gap of 1.5 yards is going to make any difference to a weekend golfer like me? I'd need to bridge the gap between the new GW and my 52 but I can do that with the AW from the new set which won't be a problem because I'll need one less club at the other end. A golfer that the extra 1.5 yards of gap would actually matter to isn't going to be buying these clubs anyway.

The big advantage to me would be that I'm hitting shorter clubs into the green with the same peak height and spin. Shorter = more control = more consistency = better scoring.
Be Heard Guitar
Be Heard Guitar - 3 years ago
Johnny Penso You've described my exact worry about having stronger lofted clubs. In your scenario, even with the A wedge, you would only have 5 clubs to span from 35* to 56* because the stronger lofts necessitate 5 degree gapping in the scoring clubs as opposed to a more traditional set and a gap wedge where you would have 4 degree gapping and 6 clubs to go from 35* to 56*. With the stronger lofted clubs you are removing a scoring club and adding an unhittable long iron (in your scenario you are buying two clubs you don't plan on using). For someone like me, I would rather have more clubs with tighter gapping from 160 yds and in, than have an additional lower lofted club I can't hit very well especially when my distance control over 160 yds isn't vitally important anyway, I'm just trying to advance the ball. I think the same would be true with most people these irons are targeting. They would be better served to have more of their set focused on the short and mid game.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
I don't agree. As I said, the Rouge X comes with wedges lofted up to 59 degrees. If I were buying those clubs I'd likely carry 6 - AW , 3 wedges, 1, 3, 5 Wood, Hybrid, Putter and I doubt I'd have any gapping issues at all. If there was a gap I would just add in the AW and leave out my 5 wood which I don't hit much different than my hybrid. What you gain at one end you save on the other. Hitting them longer means you can use one or, for some people, 2 less irons. That might not work if you hit the driver 300 yards, but I'm at 250-255 when I hit it flush so the gaps would work out fine for me.
Be Heard Guitar
Be Heard Guitar - 3 years ago
Johnny Penso the point of the video titled "Don't make a big mistake" is to help consumers sift through the potentially misleading marketing messages of stronger lofts. Clubs that are lofted 2 clubs stronger than another set leave gaps in the wedge/short iron game. They can also potentially make the longer irons so delofted that they are hard to hit. This info was hugely helpful to me and I was glad to have someone else pass it along to me when putting together my set. I am the exact kind of golfer this marketing is geared toward (drooling mid/high handicapper), but having a super strong set would leave me with long irons that are impossible to hit (24* and below) and huge gaps in the short irons and wedge game where I need the most help.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
All business is a marketing game so your position has very little meaning. The clubs do certain things in a certain way and it may help some golfers. Posts like yours paint consumers as nothing more than drooling misfits who haven't got a clue about what is what in the world and are clinging to every dime as if it's their last. If you're shelling out $1000+ for new irons you either already have a set of wedges or you're going to buy some. Most, if not all newer sets are going to come with at least a Gap Wedge. Rogue X for example has a GW, AW, SW, LW, options.

I for one am glad that club makers offer up such a huge variety clubs. There's something for everyone there.
Be Heard Guitar
Be Heard Guitar - 3 years ago
Rick I get what you're saying about the heights, but it is still a marketing game. The winner in all of this are the companies that specialize in wedges. The strengthened lofts of the past decades brought about the need for gap wedges (because even with moving weight you can't strengthen a sand wedge). I knew it was coming, but now wedge makers are making wedge sets that go to 46* lofts partly because people have clubs marked PW that go 41* (rogue x). Now in addition to a set of expensive irons a person needs a wedge set with a 46* (a gap gap wedge), a 50-52* gap wedge, a 54-56* sand wedge, and a 58-60* lob wedge and some people play an x wedge 64*. And now the recommendation is to regularly replace your wedges and you have 4-5 of them. I wish I sold wedges.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
These are good points. The 7 iron of today with 4 or 5 degrees less loft than a traditional 7 iron will likely fly as high as the old one even with the less loft, but with less spin. So you'll get more distance and come in at the same angle but with less spin. The real question is, can you hold greens like that and what type of courses do you play? Here in Canada I play mostly well watered, parkland course. I'm not the longest hitter but I can hold a green with a skip of about 10 feet with a 4 or 5H so a 7 iron coming in at a steep angle with 5000 rpm of spin will probably land soft and stay put for me where I play. If you play on harder greens this may not work for you. If you tend to play shorter courses then the higher lofts will probably work better for you. Longer course will favour the longer clubs. What you really need is two sets of clubs...yeah!!
Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis - 3 years ago
Thanks for the explanations...I play 88' Hogan Apex irons where the 7 iron has a 37 degree loft and the 5 iron a 30...the latest AP3's are 31 and 25 respectively....eye opening for sure....
Rick
Rick - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf I hope my comments didn’t sound too argumentative, just a slightly different point of view. On another note, though, I love the fact that you’re a real golfer with real opinions, no sugarcoating, just unbiased opinions. As a fellow golf nut I’ll definitely keep watching
Rob D
Rob D - 3 years ago
The main point is still getting to know how far your hit each of your clubs
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Rick Thanks for the comment, some very interesting points there. 100% agree that the main objective should be to make the game fun. If equipment can help that, in any way, I'm all for it.
Alan Martins
Alan Martins - 3 years ago
Perfectly said.
andrew johnston
andrew johnston - 3 years ago
Great video my friend. All too true re the club lofts. This is one reason why I always find it funny when someone asks me on a par 3 what club I am hitting, or what I am hitting from 160 yards out. They are my clubs, fitted to me two years ago, I know what distance they go, ( not always the direction) so why is it relevant to anyone else.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
andrew johnston A lot of the time they just want to feel good if they hit less club than you! I only have that conversation with mates I play with so often that we know how our yardages compare. There's a few guys who know my game well enough they could probably pick each club for me, and I could do the same for them.
HampshireGary
HampshireGary - 3 years ago
Very well said and a very accurate summation of how clubs are sold. Been playing for years now and it’s important to buy a set where the short irons cover the shorter shots we all have to make at the green, they’re the important ones. For the longer shots, use a longer club. It’s much more important to know how far each club goes and play to that.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
HampshireGary Thanks, and I totally agree. Knowing your yardages and not having huge gaps between them is something every golfer should do.
Sean Tongs
Sean Tongs - 3 years ago
I went to my fitting having done my research before hand with a list of five clubs I wanted to try, the fitter suggested a couple of others & I tried them all to find what I needed. You must know your game before you go, you must know what you want to achieve or the fitting could be a waste of time.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Sean Tongs Couldn't agree more! If I make a solid strike I know I'll be about pin-high, and there doesn't tend to be much trouble there, even if you miss a bit left of right.
Sean Tongs
Sean Tongs - 3 years ago
Dispersion left & right can be controlled by the player, if I over draw or fade a ball I still know roughly how far its gone. Dispersion short & long needs to be predictable as well, I want a short pitch in or a long putt off a miss hit, better to be in a green side bunker than the hedges behind the green.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Sean Tongs That's the appeal for me - predictability. I don't want a club that accidentally goes miles when you mishit!
Sean Tongs
Sean Tongs - 3 years ago
I love them, tried game improvement clubs (other peoples) but will always prefer the forged bladed clubs, you get out what you put in, you have a bad strike you know it's short, predictable.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Lovely clubs. Hope they serve you well mate!
Sean Tongs
Sean Tongs - 3 years ago
I had mine done at an American Golf near Southampton, tried Titleist CB's, AP2's, Mizuno JPX, MP25's, Cobra one lengths (weird) & a couple of others I cannot remember, picked the MP25's in the end. The Mizuno just gave me the strike I wanted, good launch & spin, 6 to 6.5 with the seven iron, gives me stopping power when I hit it right.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Sean Tongs Couldn't agree more! Where did you have your fitting? What clubs did you try and what did you go for in the end?
Craig Fletcher
Craig Fletcher - 3 years ago
A super review.. Report
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Thank you!
Adam Timmins
Adam Timmins - 3 years ago
This is the first video of yours I have watched. Found it interesting and did my research before buying my new irons. I now have mp18sc that I now hit further than my old set of cf16 and the lofts are weaker on the mp18’s. Was fitted for each just a year apart
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Glad you enjoyed it. Don't forget to subscribe! ;)


That's really interesting on your irons. Must be something else that's giving you the extra distance. MP18s are lovely looking clubs. I've only hit the MP18 (blade version) a couple of times but would like to give those and the SC version a proper try. How are you finding them?
Kevin Friesen
Kevin Friesen - 3 years ago
I loved the video! It’s always good when you can have a laugh and learn something at the same time and you’re right, there are way too many Rodney’s trying to sell you something you don’t need just to get that bonus. Great vid
Kevin Friesen
Kevin Friesen - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf Yes! I go through them pretty quick in the winter since I can’t get on the course
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Kevin Friesen Haha, thanks! I'd better get some more videos up asap
Kevin Friesen
Kevin Friesen - 3 years ago
Just finished watching all your vids! Great stuff
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
To enter the giveaway you mean? Going to do the draw in the next few days so not too late!
Kevin Friesen
Kevin Friesen - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf just wondering if it’s too late for the Nike balls?
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Kevin Friesen Cheers Kevin, you've gotta watch out for Rodneys!
THE GRIFF
THE GRIFF - 3 years ago
Well said....more people picking up on the whole delofting nonsense. I play mizunos and would recommend them and Titleist as manufacturers who stay truest to the 'traditional club' lofts. As you said, gapping with the wedges is more important
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
THE GRIFF Very nice! I've just spotted some new MP5s online for £450 which seems like a great deal! Why do I do this to myself?!
THE GRIFF
THE GRIFF - 3 years ago
I use mp-25's 5-PW and then a FLI HI MMC 4 iron, great clubs.....most importantly, sensible lofts!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
THE GRIFF Yeah, if I were to buy new irons Mizuno would be very high on my test list! Which ones do you have?
gary bradfield
gary bradfield - 3 years ago
Excellent analogy, and precisely what is going on. As you say there are limits.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
gary bradfield Thank you
Nihilyst
Nihilyst - 3 years ago
Surprisingly when I went to demo irons the guy told me about how lofts have changed in certain clubs and that's why I might see a distance improvement not so much from the clubs themselves.
Although on the other hand when I was hitting drivers he was sure to lay on thick the marketing of how the epic sub zero was the furthest driver I will hit and how everyone is smashing it 15 yards further than anything else.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Nihilyst Well at least that first part is good to hear! Hopefully he wasn't just using that to appear honest so you'd be more likely to buy a driver. In my (admittedly fairly limited) experience there isn't a huge difference between what you'll get from one driver to the next. You can make big gains by getting a good fitting - I noticed a difference when I got fitted for a driver for the first time.
SuperDuper Awesome
SuperDuper Awesome - 3 years ago
Couldn't agree more! What's your opinion on the price of new clubs?
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
SuperDuper Awesome Check out my video where I test the Pro V1... Saved me a fortune! With clubs it can be trickier to get them in your exact specification but if you can find the right gear, in the right spec, at the right price, you're onto a winner!
SuperDuper Awesome
SuperDuper Awesome - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf Ain't that the truth! Do you subscribe to buying new last season gear like I do then? - there's some good prices out there.......
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
SuperDuper Awesome They charge what people will pay. Plus, when you get manufacturers who are much cheaper (say Benross, for example) we all assume the gear isn't as good!

Obviously I'd like it if clubs were cheaper so I could afford to buy exactly what I wanted but I'd like a Lamborghini and can't afford one of them either - that's not their problem!

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SuperDuper Awesome
SuperDuper Awesome - 3 years ago
Gave thumbs up and I think the blog was excellent and made good points - although I doubt you'll get any club deals at the moment.......I seem to recall if you search on a search engine about club loft changes that the range covered by lofts are the same but new lofts are found at the top of the range ; so 3,4,5,6 cover the old 2,3,4 lofts... My point is you stated longer irons would be harder to hit but they wouldn't be any harder as the least lofted club hasn't really changed. I also think the 'hollow' iron heads are a big factor now, allowing more weight distribution to help to get the ball up, thus nullifying the changes in loft.......
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
SuperDuper Awesome Oh, and you're right, I'm definitely not holding my breath on club deals! Jokes aside, I wouldn't want a club deal if it meant I couldn't be honest about my opinion on things.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
SuperDuper Awesome I get what you mean but if people are comparing 7-iron v 7-iron they should also be comparing 4-iron v 4-iron. Any moving the centre of gravity can help get the launch back but you're still missing out on spin. There's a useful discussion in Mark Crossfield's Ping G700 review.
John Folland
John Folland - 3 years ago
The easiest way to solve this. Don`t put a number on the club put the degree angle.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
John Folland There are a couple of sets that do that. Can't see it becoming the norm though!
Ronnie Casey
Ronnie Casey - 3 years ago
Great video but from a fitters perspective, clubs are fitted through what the customer is looking for. Some people want distance, some want control, some want consistency which the club they use can give them 1,2 and 3 results.
Ronnie Casey
Ronnie Casey - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Ronnie Casey Thanks for the comment and I totally see your point. My worry was that some people might not know exactly what they want and be led to believe that added distance is the answer, without appreciating the trade off in terms of control etc.
Ronnie Casey
Ronnie Casey - 3 years ago
As well as that, if people come in to a fit and need game improvement clubs as they can’t strike a ‘true’ lofted club like a cavity or a blade, with game improvement clubs comes the strong loft so that’s where brands come into play when designing clubs
Nick Kesby
Nick Kesby - 3 years ago
U know what this has helped me loads I love the Wilson v6 irons but I was told it was no good for me because I wasn’t hitting it as far as my 7 iron . But now I have looked at the loft and no wonder why !!!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Nick Kesby There aren't many golf competitions where you get a prize for hitting a 7-iron the furthest! You need irons you can hit accurately and consistently, that's it. Hope you find the right set for you - let me know how it goes.
Gary Buckley
Gary Buckley - 3 years ago
The reason low loft golf clubs are hard to strike is because of club lenght.
So just buy single length sterling irons .
All the one lenght to 7 or 8 iron
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Gary Buckley That's definitely a part of it. I was intrigued by the idea of one-length irons but haven't tried them. A mate of mine uses the Cobra one-length. I can't imagine using a wedge that's the length of a 7-iron!
yingminghe
yingminghe - 3 years ago
i just compare my new irons' loft with my old one. and that is exactly what happened. my new 8 is my old 7 ....
Ron he
Ron he - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf ping G5 and titleist ap1
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
It's pretty common. What were your old irons and what are the new ones?
pottyf
pottyf - 3 years ago
What about shaft length and lower,further back cg? Do these not have an effect?
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
pottyf Yep (I just didn't want to make the video even longer and more complicated!) They use the CoG to help maintain some launch in these lower lofted irons, but that doesn't help with spin. Think what every driver is trying to achieve - good launch and low spin... Longer shafts help speed (so distance) but make accuracy and control even harder.
Johnny Apple Seed
Johnny Apple Seed - 3 years ago
Welcome back, sir....Hopefully, you're now back to enjoying the game of golf....Cheers.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Johnny Apple Seed Thanks mate. I'm loving it at the moment!
kevin Humphreys
kevin Humphreys - 3 years ago
#262 are they referring to less skilled players when they say longer and further .confused. There must be and is a limit to whet they can do with a driver x
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
kevin Humphreys Two years ago I put my R7 back in the bag for a while. Used to rip that thing!
kevin Humphreys
kevin Humphreys - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf I have a jet speed driver and love it
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
kevin Humphreys There totally is a limit. I still wouldn't want to swap my modern driver for one from 20 years ago, but I probably wouldn't lose much if I put my Ping Eye 2s back in the bag!
Paul Foreman
Paul Foreman - 3 years ago
whilst that is true in theory lofts dont always mean distance will be the same as the 5 and the 7 iron in this example.. My coach was explaining to me that Game improvement irons for example help launch the club up in the air so they decrease the loft to get the distance and flight back to that of what a blade would provide
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Paul Foreman Yeah, they can do things with the centre of gravity to improve launch but that still has a big effect on spin. I'm going to do some testing very soon.
GrandmasterN
GrandmasterN - 3 years ago
God damn spot on mate! This is a very informative piece! Thank you for putting this out there!!!

EDIT: I looked at Titleist blade irons from the start 90s compared to to the 718MB... thankfully its only 1 degree strong! Still you have a very valid point when not looking specifically at classic blades!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
GrandmasterN Yeah blade lofts have stayed pretty consistent because they're not sold by "look how far this goes!" They're (generally) played by better players who want consistent distance and control, not a 7-iron that goes nine miles. You playing MBs?
Mark Curtis
Mark Curtis - 3 years ago
Aren’t the lofts stronger on modern GI clubs due to the lower CG and higher launch angles?
Howard Boylan
Howard Boylan - 3 years ago
"See you in the future" worked for me mate.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Howard Boylan Here he is! Hopefully I actually will see you in the (near) future buddy!
Nathan Dickson
Nathan Dickson - 3 years ago
Your pitch wedge 20 years ago was 54. Now their 46 to 48.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
The info I had said a pitching wedge was 52 degrees in the 60s and 70s, which is still pretty mad, when you think about it!
MisterDaveB
MisterDaveB - 3 years ago
Yes, not only is it true, but forever it has been so. Manufacturers have a broad market to cater for. Not just female/male or left/right handed, tall/short or fast/slow swing. If manufacturers stopped bringing out and selling new clubs then the market would slow down and they'd go out of business - so they have to generate the need for golfers to buy new clubs.... its a hungry monster. Now what are they to do - advertise a club that is 'pretty much the same we sold you 5 years ago'...? Not sure that would excite the average buyer... So we have a dilemma. Is it the manufacturers or the buyers (i.e. you and me) that are, as it could be argued, ruining golf...
MisterDaveB
MisterDaveB - 3 years ago
Never mind the clubs... I have a great idea for your problem.... your problem being 'signing off'... If you incorporate a Bobby Lopez style sign off in your next video, I promise to like all your videos :-D https://youtu.be/aviFt7ys3uk
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
I get what you're saying, but golfers spending money on clubs that don't help them doesn't sit well with me. (Although if they can afford it and they just want to buy new clubs, regardless of performance gain, then that's obviously fine.) If any money currently misspent on the wrong equipment went towards lessons or playing great golf courses then we'd all be happier golfers and the game would be in better shape!
S As
S As - 3 years ago
Great video, I really enjoyed it. I'm a total beginner and went for a lesson with a local pro, I used my £30 set of irons from eBay. After the lesson he said when you take up the sport in the spring I can sell you a set of iron that will give you 10 yards on your old ones. I thought, I was expecting 50 yards improvement !
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
S As Haha, at least he was being honest! Thanks for watching and keep enjoying your golf
Stephen Hutton
Stephen Hutton - 3 years ago
that made a lot of sense on the lofts of golf clubs for me ma man , and that wee explanation of the golf professional , reminded me of some of the boys at my nearest golf shop
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Stephen Hutton Are they Australian too?
Robert Turner
Robert Turner - 3 years ago
Great content bro. Hopefully opened people eyes a bit. And 100% agree yardage numbers are key to understanding your own game. Helps plot your way around a course and lowering thoughts numbers.
Keep up the good work. Need to see more commitment with your 'behind the scenes' stuff. lol I'm talking the whole 9 yards dude, make up, clothes and backdrop. In fact I dare you...actually DOUBLE DARE you to do that stuff in public lol.
Peace out
NB don't get arrested
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Robert Turner Thanks mate. Haha, it's been years since I wore makeup in public...
Barry Down
Barry Down - 3 years ago
Have you seen rick sheils review the TaylorMade M3 and M4.The disparity from GC QUAD and the driver.Was way out.Is good drivers on GC QUAD were bad .And is bad drivers were good on the GC QUAD. Maybe GC QUAD didn't understand the twist face compared to a normal face driver.? or something else is going on.?
Barry Down
Barry Down - 3 years ago
M McIlroy Its just shows why the pros not getting the grip with the new TM driver aswell.Im all for experimental and trying different ideas. But should have kept the M4 driver as a prototype driver till it's ready.This will accure more costs,and other driver release.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
M McIlroy That's what I thought, although I guess it does measure whether the face is open or closed so TwistFace could actually exaggerate that slightly?

I didn't realise players had switched back. That's interesting!
M A.R McIlroy
M A.R McIlroy - 3 years ago
the quad wont be affected really by how the face "looks" depending on impact... it will mainly take pictures of the ball to analyse its trajectory... thereby the quad doesn't lie. ( also look at tigers drives with his m2 compared to his new driver. a lot of players who started the first round with m3/m4 , swapped to an old driver in the second round of the farmers insurance open this week)
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Barry Down I have watched it but didn't notice that going on. I can't see why it would get confused just because of Twist Face though?
danthemanwhocancan
danthemanwhocancan - 3 years ago
Great video! Thanks for making the effort
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
danthemanwhocancan No worries at all, thanks for making the effort to watch!
Randall Laframboise
Randall Laframboise - 3 years ago
Loved all aspects of your video. I've assembled my clubs over the years, and what you're saying is spot on. The problem as i see it, is correctly gapping the distances between clubs so that they're effective. My solution is to buy blade heads, since they are so 'retro' but do the job...effective tools at the distances you need them to be. Can't hit blades? Practice. Do the short distance stuff: chip/pitch with every iron. If you can't hit the middle of the clubface at a slower speed, how would you expect to swing full and do the same thing? That type of practice in/on your backyard/carpet is more effective than beating balls at the range. i've subcribed to your channel after watching several of your videos over the months...your delivery is refreshing.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Randall Laframboise You're absolutely right. It's just easier for people to believe the marketing about "super forgiving" clubs than accept that golf is hard and requires practice if you want to be good at it. People talk about tiny heads on blades but you're not going to miss the ball with it, are you?!
strokerAce21
strokerAce21 - 3 years ago
curious - what is the "standard" (if there is any such thing) gap between lofts? Is it typically 4 degrees between each club? does it vary? what lofts should someone look for from the highest lofted club (PW) to the lowest (3i / 4i / 5i) to ensure the lofts were not 'manipulated' by the manufacturer to be misleading?
SuperDuper Awesome
SuperDuper Awesome - 3 years ago
It might be worth mentioning that I think if you go to a fitting centre they will even customise the gaps of the lofts to your requirements (but not 100% confident on that).
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
strokerAce21 It's typically 3-4 degrees between irons. What I'd call a "normal" PW would be 45 or 46 degrees, but your best bet is to find a quality club fitter to help you find the right set for you.
Chris I
Chris I - 3 years ago
Best explanation I've heard about the shifting of lofts v club number. I wondered before about gaps at the short end but you are really hitting home with reality at the longer ends of the range. Even with my old 712 AP2's with "honest" lofts, I already dropped my 5 and 4 irons out of the bag for hybrids because I can't get reliable distance from them. Now I consider if I got a new set of "distance" clubs, I might be also dropping a 6 iron as well, paying for a full set of clubs and leaving 3 out as unplayable and filling in the short end with more wedges. Thanks mate, great video!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Chris I Good luck mate and let me know how it goes!
Chris I
Chris I - 3 years ago
Good idea, I'll bring those long irons to the next lesson and see if there's some way to get them back in the bag. Thanks again!
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Chris I Cheers bud
Woden of the Angles
Woden of the Angles - 3 years ago
You can't just compare lofts. The cranked-lofted clubs are designed with higher launch (lower CoG) so the lesser lofts equal out... Its not quite as simple an equation as you seem to be suggesting sir.
David Ciccoritti
David Ciccoritti - 3 years ago
Apologies for the misspelling.
Woden of the Angles
Woden of the Angles - 3 years ago
+David Ciccoritti - It's combined design.

(oh and it's Woden of the ANGLES - as in the ethnic group of people that migrated to England after the fall of the Roman Empire. Cheers.)
David Ciccoritti
David Ciccoritti - 3 years ago
Woden of the Angels So you're saying they first design the rear COG and then decided what loft is best suited? You're kidding right?
Anonymous Poster
Anonymous Poster - 3 years ago
Ashley Cartwright
I see what you mean, now.
But, for me, stopping power is how quickly a shot will check from spin only, for a given trajectory.
Not saying your definition is wrong, and mine right, just that they are different.
Having sensible conversations really does depend upon agreeing on terminology and meaning of words and phrases, doesn't it.
Ashley Cartwright
Ashley Cartwright - 3 years ago
Anonymous Poster that is why I mentioned angle of decent, these stronger lofted irons are higher launching due to a lower centre of gravity and means they come down at a steeper angle so regardless of spin will stop quicker than something coming at a shallower angle of decent.
Anonymous Poster
Anonymous Poster - 3 years ago
Ashley Cartwright
How can they have more stopping power with similar spin? Isn't the amount of stop proportional to spin?
Ashley Cartwright
Ashley Cartwright - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf I agree with you both in some ways but the new 7 irons with lower loft (27 deg) will have a steeper angle of decent than an old 5 iron of the same loft therefore have more stopping power despite having similar amounts of spin, but the lower end of the bag does become an issue as you mentioned
Ash
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Woden of the Angles I know what you mean and it's a totally valid point (I just didn't want to make the video even longer or even more boring!) but you still get lower spin with those sets. I don't claim to know everything, just wanted to get people thinking about what they're being sold.
Paul Giddens
Paul Giddens - 3 years ago
Very well said there. Keep it up.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Paul Giddens Cheers Paul, much appreciated
Keep It In The Fairway
Keep It In The Fairway - 3 years ago
New Callaway Rouge Iron 7 iron is 27'!!! M2 is 28.5 27 degree is normal 5 iron on Tour irons. just dont be fooled by marketing trick!! Next year they might put a number 7 on 18 degree Iron
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Don't give them ideas...
Keep It In The Fairway
Keep It In The Fairway - 3 years ago
subbed because we have the same goal! I want to go down from 5 handicap to Scratch within 2018 and happy to see this channel grows!!! cheers
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Keep It In The Fairway Great stuff. Getting from 5 to scratch is the hard part!
Eman Madek
Eman Madek - 3 years ago
IMO you can't go wrong with blades, they're quite intimidating however once you realise that most pro's learnt to play the game with blades As Children the whole "game improvement" irons thing is ridiculous... How can something specifically designed to mask your deficiencies improve your technique in a game whose inceptive ethos is honesty and integrity???
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Eman Madek I LOVE the look of MP4s. Can't wait to test this "forgiveness" thing.
Eman Madek
Eman Madek - 3 years ago
I can appreciate pro's turning to "forgiving" irons for whatever reason though these are people who consistently strike the ball within micro meters of error margins, it would be quite interesting to know just how "forgiving" some of these shovels actually are.
Since I've switched to blades (Mizuno MP4) the understanding I now have of the golf swing is incomparable to when I was using GI irons.
In terms of cost vs benefit what blades teach you money can't buy
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Eman Madek The whole blades v forgiving irons thing is really interesting, and something I want to test soon. Quite a few tour pros seem to have moved away from blades over the last few years. They seem to work for Rory and Rose though! What clubs do you play?
Phill Seddon
Phill Seddon - 3 years ago
Modern sets should have a 10 iron and a 11 iron
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Phill Seddon Yeah, then they could charge more!
David Hall
David Hall - 3 years ago
This is why I play Mizuno MP irons. Traditional lofts just work for me.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
David Hall Nice. I'd have to try the MP18s (muscle back ones). I spent most of last year drooling over pictures of them!
David Hall
David Hall - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf only MP53's. Forged forgiveness for me now I'm pushing nearly 50. Been playing Mizzies since mid nineties and can't see me changing. Honestly, give some a try. MP 18 SC would suit you perfect.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
David Hall That's why I'm scared to try them! Which ones have you got?
David Hall
David Hall - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf nothing like 'em. Once tried you'll never go back.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
David Hall I still really want to try a set of blades for a while and Mizuno would be top of the list!
Paul White
Paul White - 3 years ago
Really enjoyed that video.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Paul White Cheers Paul
La La
La La - 3 years ago
Fantastic Rob, love the dodgy accent
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
La La Haha, thanks! Second hand is a good way to go, you can save a fortune and still get great clubs. Plus, money spent on playing and lessons will help your game a lot more than new clubs
Guy Bean
Guy Bean - 3 years ago
Another cracking video Rob, keep them coming dude
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Guy Bean Cheers Guy
CG Mat
CG Mat - 3 years ago
Surely this is illegal under the rules of golf?? There should be a loft range for each number enforced by R&A and PGA
vachief
vachief - 3 years ago
Good point, although a may take a few rounds to adjust to 28* if you already have a yardage card built around a 35*, but hey, that's why it's fun. In the past, I wouldn't even think of trying to hit a 2 iron off the turf, but these new clubs I picked up are easy to hit. I'm liking the new tech and hitting the ball long is a nice feeling.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
True but you wouldn't use the 28* 7 iron from the same place in the fairway you'd use the 35* 7 iron. Distance for distance is the best comparison, not club for club.
vachief
vachief - 3 years ago
There is a pretty big difference in distance potential dispersion between a 28* 7 iron and a 35* 7 iron.
But I get your point, decent angle, spin and the ability to hold are important. If you buy new clubs, you would have to range each one anyway to get a feel for them.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
Agreed, there is something to be said for the new tech. The problem is, it's hard to get around the loft vs. spin dynamic. The only club comparison that makes any sense at all is the distance vs. distance. Take the club in your set that you'd hit into a green at 130-150-170 yards and then hit the club in the new set that goes the same distance and compare descent angles and spin and see what happens with dispersion. Dispersion is really the key issue and can be a problem with hotter faces. They will probably be relatively equal in descent angle and spin which means you are only gaining a slightly shorter club to hit the same distance and that's assuming equal dispersion. Dispersion numbers are a bit fake hitting off the perfect lies of a mat but it is what it is.
vachief
vachief - 3 years ago
That's why Hogan marked all his clubs in loft instead of numbers. From what I'm hearing, the new hollow head irons do hit farther than a solid steel iron even in the exact same loft.
I just bought a new 2 & 3 iron from BombTech, irons that most people stay away from, but they are easy to hit and go a mile. There is something to be said about new technology.
Johnny Penso
Johnny Penso - 3 years ago
Why would accuracy be gone? It's not much different than installing a 7 iron head on an 8 iron shaft. There is nothing magical about traditional lofted clubs and nothing is set in stone. The fact that companies make single length clubs from SW down to 4 Iron and they actually work for many players should tell you that rules are made to be broken. Bobby Jones designed clubs for Spalding 80 years ago that included clubs with equal lengths in pairs eg. 3&4, 5&6 etc.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
CG Mat I'd like to think so but it's been happening for decades!
CG Mat
CG Mat - 3 years ago
Fair enough, this distance argument will peter out when accuracy is gone and handicaps rise
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
CG Mat It's not really a rules issue though. The clubs are legal, so the R&A and USGA aren't bothered about what manufacturers write on the bottom of them. It's more of an industry issue - if there were standards across all manufacturers and iron sets then consumers would know what they were buying.
ian powell
ian powell - 3 years ago
Good video. I went to American golf for a fitting once. Hit the ball all over the face. With the odd shank..... The sales fella told me my distances and dispersion were great... Left that store and never went back.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
ian powell
Rusty Russ Splice
Rusty Russ Splice - 3 years ago
About doesn't get the job done
The Grumpy Golfa
The Grumpy Golfa - 3 years ago
Jokes aside this is a great video that shows people the importance of knowledge when it comes to a fitting.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
The Grumpy Golfa Cheers chap, if it stops one person from buying the wrong clubs then I'll be happy.
chris boulton
chris boulton - 3 years ago
American golf has to be the worse place to get fitted ever !
Interesting to listen to the pros about changing gear, they said the biggest thing to change is the ball.
chris boulton
chris boulton - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf I’ve bought enough to see me to retirement
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
chris boulton That's an amazing price! I paid about £17 a box and that was ordering six dozen. Cracking balls, especially at those prices
chris boulton
chris boulton - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf I’m on the Nike platinum ball off clubhouse golf £12.50 a dozen
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
chris boulton I'm sure AG have some good fitters but they definitely have some bad ones too!

Yeah, if you're using irons from 10-20 years ago you're probably not missing much but if you're playing a balata ball it might be time to switch! Even then though, I bet a Pro V from 10 years ago isn't much different to the latest one.
Lee Glover Golf
Lee Glover Golf - 3 years ago
I’m the same as you Rob play ping i25’s and they are a nice club with consistent distances but starting to look a bit tatty (maybe just need a clean ) wanting some new and been looking at the i200’s which look lovely
Gay Hannon
Gay Hannon - 3 years ago
Spot on Rob, I wish the powers that be would put in some proper guideline as people are being duped big time. Golf is gone so commercial now its a joke.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Lee Glover Golf I don't think I'd gain anything by going to i200. In fact I tried it last year and it was exactly the same as my i25s. I guess if money were no issue it'd be nice to make that switch and have a shiny new set but realistically I'd only switch if it was gonna help my game.
chris watson
chris watson - 3 years ago
Great video as always mate. I got suckered into switching my i25’s for M2’s. Horrible clubs that felt like shovels. Managed to trade them for P790’s which still stronger loft but look better and give me more confidence. Got to admit handicap still the same as when I had my i25’s though so do ask myself what was the point haha
chris watson
chris watson - 3 years ago
Will be this week as the club is also dropping me a stroke as the ‘computer’ flagged me for a cut. So I’ll be 9.2
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
chris watson That's quality stuff mate, well played!
chris watson
chris watson - 3 years ago
What a weekend mate. Started Saturday morning playing off 12.7. CSS of 75 on Saturday and Sunday and had a net 67 and 71. Now down to 10.2. I have no idea why I had my 2 best rounds in a year one after the other. THIS GAME IS MENTAL!!!! But we love it
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
chris watson Not actually a bad idea. I really wanted to try some blades but would never buy them just based on a quick fitting coz I might find I was ripping them that day and couldn't hit 'em the next!

Cheers Chris, you too. Long overdue practice schedule video coming soon!
chris watson
chris watson - 3 years ago
Clubs should be like cars and let you take for a test drive on the course...real playing instead of hitting off a mat. Good luck pal keep in touch and keep the videos coming
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
chris watson Same here, first person I've seen really look into the marketing BS.

Sounds like a good fitter. That's the thing - if you find a good honest one, you'll keep going back to them and recommend them to lots of people!

Yep, you're right. Gonna give them some tlc to make up for my wandering eye!
chris watson
chris watson - 3 years ago
Watched it yesterday and thought it was a great review. My miss is a strong fade/slice
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
chris watson Yeah, I've never liked the look of really big heads like Ping G Max and that kind of thing. Mark Crossfield reckons that the distance drop off is no bigger with blades than with those "game improvement" irons. Hopefully I'll be able to find out!

I honestly think TwistFace would make me worse. When I hit the toe it's normally a push with an open face, not the low hook that TwistFace is designed to reduce! Have you watched Rick Shiels' review of it?
chris watson
chris watson - 3 years ago
We’ve spoke before and you know I play off 12. I was hoping ‘game improvement’ irons would make my bad shots better. I think they just introduced different bad shots. I had the same issue my 7 iron could go anything between 140-180 depending on the strike. Decided if I strike it bad then I’ll accept the bad shot. I probably didn’t appreciate my Pings though got to say the P790’s are sweet
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
chris watson A friend of mine has M2s. He's a tidy player but will occasionally smash his 8-iron 180 yards, straight over the green! I've spent so long considering replacing my i25s and not finding a good reason to do so I'm starting to wonder if they're actually just what I need!
JustSleepin61
JustSleepin61 - 3 years ago
Totally agree with you Rob. Front to back dispersion is always over looked on fittings too.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
JustSleepin61 Completely. I want to do a test soon to see if "forgiving" clubs are actually any more forgiving than anything else.
Brummiebutler
Brummiebutler - 3 years ago
great vid.. and keep um coming
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Brummiebutler Thanks, will do!
Kennie Elerby
Kennie Elerby - 3 years ago
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Lukas Richter It's not one of the strongest out there but it's still a full club stronger than some. It doesn't matter whether your lofts are weak or strong, as long as you know what you're buying and it works best for your game.
Lukas Richter
Lukas Richter - 3 years ago
But regardless however their made there is still an un needed yardage gap
Lukas Richter
Lukas Richter - 3 years ago
P790 is 32 loft so that's not extremely strong?
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
You're exactly right. And if you hadn't been as knowledgeable you could have ended up with a set that actually makes the game harder for you, having paid a lot of money for the privilege!
Richard Young
Richard Young - 3 years ago
Hilarious video but sadly this does happen.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Cheers mate. Hope you've got the right set for you now!
Richard Young
Richard Young - 3 years ago
Completely agree I’ve been sucked in when buying new clubs! You see instant yardage gains only to find your using a stronger lofted club. Keep up the good work. Loving the vids.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Oh I know. I tried (tried being the operative word) to make the video entertaining because it could be a boring topic, but my main aim was to stop people buying the wrong clubs. If even one person makes a better buying decision as a result then it's job done!
chris boulton
chris boulton - 3 years ago
Totally agree rob, I’ve been saying this for ages. Modern lofts have changed, my mates off much higher handicaps wonder how their 6i goes further than mine but my woods smash them off the park. Callaway xr pro are so powerful it’s stupid. Mind set is that they can hit an 8i 170/180. Boring! I’ve changed ap2’s to the Wilson fg tour v6 solely because I can be more accurate
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
That's the key mate - you don't get any prizes for who can hit a 6-iron the furthest!
Stuart McIntosh
Stuart McIntosh - 3 years ago
Brilliant again. Unlike many, I did compare the lofts on my olds to the new "Callaways" as it happens. Though I didn't get the Rogues ;) Apex pro for me. But yes, I'm a bit of a geek and detailed and researched everything before I bought what I bought. Cracking vid again mate, keep it up.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Stuart McIntosh That's good to hear, a fitter who really helped you out! My mate has the CF16 ones and wishes he'd got the Pro set. He hits them miles but gets the occasional knuckleball that airmails the green, which is not what you want.
Stuart McIntosh
Stuart McIntosh - 3 years ago
Believe it or not, I went to get fitted for the cf Apex's but they were just bombers with such little spin the fitter said not to, he put a pro head on and the spin rate went right up, Sold ! Unfortunately I've only had them about 6 weeks and most of that the courses have been either closed or frozen but I like em.
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Stuart McIntosh Cheers chap. I thought about getting some Apex Pros last year - how are you getting on with them? I spend so long researching and comparing any purchase that by the time I've made a decision they'll have brought out something else!
Jim Holden
Jim Holden - 3 years ago
Well said lv had quite a few poor fittings and bad experiences...
Scratch Golf
Scratch Golf - 3 years ago
Same here. There are definitely some amazing fitters out there, it's just a shame there are poor ones too.

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